Bouquets and Brickbats
OHIO: I have just
read your article in the Nov. Issue of The Grace
Proclamator and Promulgator. I feel very much as you do
about the Promise Keepers movement.
Somehow I must have missed
getting the copies that had prior articles on the subject of
Id really appreciate
getting whatever other articles on the subject that I might have
MINNESOTA: Saw your
new web page. I had not been able to get into the old pages.
TEXAS: Either I am
too anxious to get my next issue of the GP&P or
I have fallen out of your mailing list. I and others really are
blessed by and instructed by each issue.
received a copy of The Grace Proclamator and Promulgator
yesterday. Was favorably impressed.
Your article on the
Promise Keepers confirmed my impression on the first and only
time I have met one, no two, of their number. I listened to their
pitch, then I asked them to go get their Bibles and lets
see what we can find in the Bible. At once they had no time and
they never came back to visit me again.
Wayne for your laboring research and articles concerning Promise
Keepers. This is much needed at this very time. As a suggestion,
you may wish to put the subject in booklet or brochure form. I
will send by mail an offering toward the spread of your work.
WASHINGTON: I would
like to receive your paper . . . Also my son would enjoy and
benefit from it if you would include him.
I enjoy the articles that
you write. God bless you and your loved ones.
GERMANY: I recently
received a copy of your Nov 96 issue of The Grace
Proclamator & Promulgator.
Needless to say, I really
enjoyed it, particularly the article about "The Promise
Keepers". It was especially important to me because a dear
Christian brother of mine is currently involved in one of their
courses. I plan on passing it on to him with the hopes that it
may change his views concerning this so called Christian group .
. . If possible, I would like you to add me to your mailing list,
or e-mail me the TGP&P monthly.
WASHINGTON: I just
finished reading the second article on Promise Keepers, I hope
that every one who is a part of that group, or contemplating
joining it will get an opportunity to read both of your articles.
FLORIDA: Thank you
so much for the paper you publish. The articles on "P.
K" are very enlightening. Praise God for your diligence in
keeping His Word in truth over mans attempt to distort it.
Please include these names in your list, if they are not already
church enjoyed the fine message you preached. Now that we know
you we can pray for you.
I did not receive the
November issue of your paper. If you have an extra copy send it
I am sending you a few
names of our church people who want your paper. May our Sovereign
bless your efforts in the ministry.
received the copy of the information on Promise Keepers. Thanks
for sending it to me.
KENTUCKY: Thanks so
much for the articles in your paper. I sincerely believe that
God's people will want to know the truth and if there is one who
is promoting himself as a teacher of God's people and yet he does
not conform to "Thus Saith the LORD" then we are to be
very wary as to the things that they teach. I saw from some of
your responses that the things that you have exposed has angered
some but be that as it may we are not to be ignorant of his
(Satans) devices. Satan did not deceive Eve by bringing in
some new thing, and when he came to Christ, he used the very
words of God except that he changed only one word. Deception is a
game that Satan is very good at and those who are deceived by him
are not to be catered to because they "think" that the
person telling them the truth is being harsh. The truth is a
wonderful thing, it will stand the test of time, it will stand
the test of careful and minute scrutinization, it will stand the
test of the sleight of men and maliciousness.
One thing I appreciate
about your Editorial policy, is that you will print the negative
responses as well as the positive ones. This tells me that you
are not afraid of "bad press" but that you have the
courage and concrete conviction that the things that you print
are true to the best of your ability and knowledge of the
I found out this past week
that the American Bible Society has been tampering with the KJV
that they publish, so I didn't know if you knew about it but if
you didn't you might tell your readers about their KJV bibles not
being the same as others. I am not a KJV only type but for me as
an English speaking person I use the KJV as the closest to the
Original Text. When a Bible publisher begins to change a standard
and not tell you about it then that is the same deception game
that Satan played.
God Bless you my Brother,
LOUISIANA: I have
been receiving your news letter for quite some time. Being a
TULIP Christian, I love the fact that there is a voice teaching
the truth of election and God's right to rule. I just caution you
brother, you come across as bitter and mean-spirited at times.
Perhaps that is a necessary part of tough love. You have the
tough part down pat.
EDITORS NOTE: I
would like to assure all readers that I am not bitter about
anything. And, I do not seek to be mean-spirited. I suspect some
would have accused Elijah of being mean spirited when he met the
prophets of Baal on Mt. Carmel. Or, Jesus when he pronounced his
woes on the scribes and Pharisees as recorded in Matthew 23. And
what of Peter who referred to false prophets as "brute
beasts." There is also Pauls denunciation of false
teachers as "deceitful workers" who are ministers of
Satan who have transformed themselves as the apostles of Christ.
I do not agree with a lot
that Adrian Rogers, pastor of Bellevue Baptist Church here in
Memphis, says. But, in a speech this year he said some things
with which I agree.
Adrian Rodgers from
a talk he made at the National Religious Broadcasters Convention
"It is better to
be divided by truth than to be united in error. It is better
to speak the truth that hurts and then heals, than falsehood
that comforts and then kills. Let me tell you something,
Friend, it is not love and it is not friendship if we fail to
declare the whole counsel of God. It is better to be hated
for telling the truth, than to be loved for telling a lie. It
is impossible to find anyone in the Bible who was a power for
God who did not have enemies and was not hated. It's better
to stand alone with the truth, than to be wrong with a
multitude It is better to ultimately succeed with truth than
to temporarily succeed with a lie. There is only one Gospel
and Paul said, "If any man preach any other gospel unto
you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be
page is nice. I can only see it in text format through LSU. I may
look at it with Netscape through Unisys when I get a chance.
I thought that you ought
to number your "Promise Keepers" articles, so that one
could tell which one was first and then second without having to
click on them and read. Art#1, Art#2, etc. after the heading.
Just a thought.
I noticed that a fellow
wrote Greg Wilson in Florida about his home page and how that he
had to quit the church that he was attending in Eugene, Oregon.
Bro. Greg was able to give him the name and address and phone
number of a sovereign grace baptist church in Eugene, or rather
across the river from Eugene. I thought that was pretty neat. It
is truly a small world now! We must be in the last days.
Networking is making all the computers of the world as one big
computer. We are coming to a day when there is no one mainframe,
but the mainframe is becoming the "cloud".
You know "new
agers" are into networking, not necessarily computers, but
the same idea. I read some books on "new age" and
networking is one of their big things. They say God is noting
more than all of the consciousness (did I spell that right?) in
the universe. Thus they see the need of networking these
consciousnesses together. Now all the computers in the world are
doing just that, kind of spooky. Well anyway we can still use all
of this technology to our advantage.
NEW MEXICO: Just a
note to let you know how much I appreciated the article in
"The Grace Proclamator and Promulgator" concerning
Hicks and Dobson.
FLORIDA: Thanks for
IOWA: I appreciate
the articles on "The Promise Keepers." This movement
certainly needs to be exposed for what it is. I am enclosing an
example of the Vineyard babble. Keep up the good work for the
OHIO: I am writing
in reference to the articles on Promise Keepers you have written
in your monthly newspaper. I feel you have been unfair in
generalizing or isolating people who have identified with Promise
keepers. In a recent issue of New Man, official
magazine of Promise Keepers, an article was published on the
error and cultic nature of the Mormon religion. There is no
"alliance" being formed (page 2 of Vol. XII, No. 12, of
your paper). Promise keepers refuse no one into their meetings so
that anyone from any background would have access to hearing the
true Gospel message, i.e., salvation is by faith alone in the
Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God and God the Son.
You mention the
endorsement and cooperation of people such as Roy (sic. Robert)
Hicks and James Dobson. How unfair to single out some extreme
cases and conclude that they represent the entire movement.
(These are the only two
I had room for last issue. If the reader would have noted, the
article is to be continued, and will be. It will include more of
those aligned with PKs. Before I am finished with this series, he
will know that I have not just singled out two extreme cases. At
least he admits that both Robert Hicks and James Dobson are
extreme. I would remind this writer of the question of Amos. Amos
3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed? When
Promise Keepers distributed 50,000 free copies of Hicks book and
helped in publishing it and endorsed and defended it, I would say
they are walking together with Hicks!).
I remember reading about a man
named J. R. Graves, who is recognized as a major contributor to
the Landmark movement. Mr. Graves had some peculiar views about
"middle life," believed in a paper-chain-link
succession to supposed true churches
(Ed. Note: The
correspondent is in error here. Graves did not believe in a "paper-chain-link
succession" of churches. He did believe in church
perpetuity. And, there is a decided difference.),
both of which have proven to be an
embarrassment to Landmark Baptists. Yet I do not find people
condemning the movement, as a whole because of Mr. Graves
I agree that any activity
involving human beings will be flawed because of our sin nature.
And, true, error must be exposed, but whatever happened to
Ephesians 4:15? . . . Critiques can be very profitable but please
be accurate with your information.
OHIO: I just
finished reading your article on Promise Keepers in your paper
and there are a few things that trouble me. You mention that in
your studies that you found most of the references to promises
were from God to man and I and I am sure the leaders of Promise
Keepers would agree with you. I also believe that they would
agree that a child of God needs to be very careful about making
promises that he does not intend to try to keep and I know that
they teach that we cannot keep any promises without the help of
the Holy Spirit. We as Gods children are time and time
again told to be Christ-like and to keep his commandments and if
you took as much time to see what the promises are that these
people are asking men to keep as you do in attacking these men
you would see that these promises are taught all through the
Bible. What ever happened to mans responsibility to be holy
and keep Gods commandments? I am sorry to say that too many
churches are teaching that once you make a profession of faith
obey some rules that they have made up that they will make it to
heaven. I fear that there are going to be a lot of surprised
people when it is too late.
Another thing that bothers
me is the hatred that I read in this article and in the letters
that are in your paper. This hatred is not directed towards sin
as that is the only place our hatred is to be directed but it is
directed towards men. If these men are lost then my
responsibility is to lovingly give them the gospel with the hope
that they Spirit will open their eyes and that they will be saved
and if they are already saved but in sin then my responsibility
is to lovingly point out their sin and help them get right with
Finally I must comment on
your condemnation of peoples worship practices and ways they
serve God. The bible is very clear on how we are to treat our
brothers in Christ and for one to say their practices are satanic
and demonic is grossly in error. My God looks on the heart and He
doesnt need any of us to tell Him what He should accept or
reject. There are a lot of people out there who dont
worship the same as you and who serve God in ways that you
dont that are doing a lot more to further the kingdom of
God than you are. I suspect that your are going to tell me that I
dont know what I am talking about but I assure you that I
do since my wife and I spent many years in a church that believes
as you. We thank God often that he showed us that there are many
more of His children in the world and that we can and should have
fellowship with them. For many years we condemned the practices
of others and we now see that it was because if they were really
serving God it made us look bad and they are and we did.
There is much more that I
could write but I fear that what I have written will be ignored.
I can only pray that God will draw others out and put them in
places where they can actively worship and serve Him.
EDITORS NOTE: I
assure this writer his letter has not been ignored. If he has a
copy of his letter on file and will check it he will see that I
have printed it here in full. The only changes I made was to
correct some misspelled words and some grammatical errors.
It is ludicrous for him to
suggest that men are free to worship God in just any way they
want and teach whatever they wish and that their error should not
be called to their attention. It is also interesting to me that
any time one writes against error, those who are in sympathy
always want to accuse us of hatred.
Let me ask, "Since
when is the hatred of error a sin?" This writer
accused me of hatred of those individuals whose false way I am
seeking to expose. The writer of this letter accuses me of hating
James Dobson and Robert Hicks, whose error I partially exposed in
the last issue of the paper. David wrote, Psalm 119:104
Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore
I hate every false way. Psalm 119:128 Therefore
I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and
I hate every false way. Commenting on this Thomas Manton
wrote, "Falsehood is either in point of opinion or practice.
If you take it in the first sense, for falsehood in opinion or
error in judgment, or false doctrine, or false worship, this
sentence holds good. Those that get understanding by the word are
established against error, and not only established against
error, or against the embracing or possession of it, but they
From these words of David,
it is evident that one who gets understanding from a study of the
word of God will develop a holy hatred of every way that is
contrary to that holy word. It is also evident that the more
highly we esteem the word of God, the more we will hate the error
of those who teach contrary to that word.
The wise man Solomon
taught that one who fears the Lord will hate evil, whether it is
pride, arrogancy, a froward mouth, or the evil way. Proverbs
8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy,
and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. It is
apparent from Scripture that doctrinal error is a very evil
thing. Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they
speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light
We are admonished in the
word of God to hate evil. Psalm 97:10 Ye that love the
LORD, hate evil. David followed his inspired admonition
for the wrote, "I hate the work of them that turn
aside." (Psalm 101:3).
If the reader will go back
and read the articles on Promise Keepers, he will see that I have
attacked the error of this movement, not the men themselves. Dr.
Dobson teaches theistic evolution. This is in direct
contradiction to Gods account of the creation found in
Genesis. I am not simply sorry he teaches that, I hate that
teaching for it denies a fundamental, foundational truth of the
word of God. Dr. Dobson is a Nazarene, and unless he is a
hypocrite to his own church, he denies the doctrine of Total
Hereditary Depravity. This is a foundational, fundamental
doctrine of the word of God and I hate the doctrine of the
alleged innate, intrinsic, congenital goodness of man. David
said, Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in
sin did my mother conceive me. Again he wrote, Psalm
58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as
soon as they be born, speaking lies. Dr. Dobson teaches
the psychological concepts of self-esteem and self-love which are
not taught in the Word of God. If I write bluntly about these
heresies and those who teach them, I do so because I hate false
I will not spend the time
in going over all the errors of Robert Hicks. His book was
published with the assistance of Promise Keepers. Fifty thousand
copies of his blasphemous book was distributed by Promise
Keepers. PKs continue to endorse and promote his book. In that
book he advocates the fallibility of my Saviour, the Lord Jesus
Christ. He even advocates the blasphemous lie that Jesus actually
entertained thoughts of committing adultery and sodomy. If what
he writes about Jesus Christ is true, this correspondent has no
salvation for a fallible Christ could not save one sinner. When
one launches such heresy about the person and character of the
Lord Jesus Christ, I admit I have a real hatred for his heresy
for he has besmirched the character of the One on whom I have
staked my eternal destiny.
The writer suggests we
should hate sin. Heretical doctrine is sin of the worst sort. Any
child of God who studies his Bible and is true to that Bible will
hate heretical doctrine. I harbor no hatred of James Dobson nor
of Robert Hicks, nor of any other man. But, yes, I do hate every
false way, and given the grace and the opportunity, I will
continue to expose error on the pages of this paper.
This paper is called The
Grace Proclamator and Promulgator. Both James Dobson and
Robert Hicks are enemies of Gods sovereign grace and their
false teaching is an offense against Gods holy word which
he has exalted even above his own name. Psalm 138:2 Thou
hast magnified thy word above all thy name. An offense
against the word of God is an offense against God himself.
My Dear Readers and
Correspondents, I am set for the defense of truth as well as the
positive declaration of truth. If my defense of requires the
exposure of error, I am ready to do that also. If that is
perceived as hatred, so be it. "Knowing that I am set
for the defence of the gospel. (Phil. 1:17)
ARKANSAS: Thank you
for your faithfulness in sending The Grace P&P.
The love gift is to be used wherever the need is
greatestyour church or you Newsletter. We young believers
need all the spiritual material we can get our hands on, and TGP&P
has certainly blessed me over and over again.
send me any back issues you may have from October, 1996, and
TENNESSEE: I am a
way behind in giving an offering four your church paper. I am
sending you a $50 love offering. Pray for us as we do for you.
West Virginia: In
following your timely and much needed critique on the
anti-scriptural aspects of the Promise Keepers burgeoning
movement, I have taken note that on several of the occasions you
have made mention of one James Dobson of Focus on the Family, one
of the premier exponents of Christian (so-called) psychology.
I personally know a
minister, who, unless he has seen the light of late, is one of
Dobsons staunch admirers, even to the extent of enclosing
his, Dobsons little brochure messages into the Sunday
bulletin of _______ Baptist Assembly.
holding strongly to self-esteem and to "loving ones
self" before you can properly love your
fellowman (something which encouraged said minister to preach an
entire sermon in support of such reasoning) he, Dobson, also
advised his readers never to refer to a homosexual as anything
except Gay. You see, we may so offend those who
even my New Websters Dictionary calls perverts and queers .
. . .
FLORIDA: Glad I
found you. I cant tell you how excited I am to see a church
like PHBC on the Internet. There are so few churches that teach
sound Baptist doctrines as you do anyway, so to see it on the net
is great. I pray that God will bless your efforts to the world
over the Internet . . . I would also like to receive The
Grace Proclamator and Promulgator.
May God bless all those at
PHBC and TGP&P.
USA: Love and
prayers for a New Year in the Lord. The GP&P is
such a blessingwe devour it each monthso glad to see
awful heresy exposed. Looking forward to January 1, 1997, The
greet you in His name, praying all is well with you and yours.
Give our love to all the congregation there.
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